Stefano Nazzi on the crime scene: "The strength of reopened cases? It's the culture of suspicion."

Cernobbio (Como) – Crime news : the great phenomenon of recent years. Along with everything related to food. They are the ones competing for the inexhaustible curiosity of Italians. Murder and cuisine. Let's hope they don't mix. Stories of adrenaline and mystery regarding crime. Which have found their voice in Stefano Nazzi. Journalist and narrator. Widely followed. Even in the theater. Where he has moved his famous podcast " Indagini Live" , continuing to put up dizzying numbers. And tomorrow it arrives at Lake Sound Park in Cernobbio. See you on Lake Como at Villa Erba. This time to return to the adventures of the Monster of Florence.

Nazzi, can this be considered an unsolved case?

"It's certainly a strange and still open case. Mario Vanni and Giancarlo Lotti were definitively convicted. Pacciani died innocent, awaiting a retrial of the appeal that acquitted him. But despite this, many questions remain unanswered."

What did you think?

"It's not as if there was any significant evidence against the two infamous "buddys." And the trials were rather curious. There were, however, several elements against Pacciani, but it's difficult to get a clear picture, even of possible instigators. However, I believe there's something to the hypothesis that multiple people were involved, at the same level, regardless of social background."

What was Italy like at the time?

“Frightened. In those areas, the way of life changed; parents forbade their children from going out. There was a genuine fear of falling victim to this mystery that no one could unravel despite the resources available. The concept of a serial killer was completely new; it was linked to other horizons, to America. And so it ended up being a case that lasted for many years, from 1968 to 1985.”

Here: the context doesn't seem particularly bright, how did those responsible manage to hide for so long?

"The investigative knowledge we have today didn't exist. In the first murder, it wasn't until the autopsy that it was discovered that gunshots had been fired, so they went back to look for the shell casings. And there was no care taken at the time to preserve the crime scene. When the two German boys were killed, a police officer climbed into their Volkswagen van and drove it to the police station, destroying any useful evidence. Today, I think they would be caught immediately."

Doesn't all this darkness take your breath away?

“No, I'm narrowing it down. It's just part of my interests. And it's just a part of people's lives. A small part, isolated cases.”

Cases you began reporting on Rai TV, starting with Yara Gambirasio. What does that story tell us?

"It's a huge investigation, not just by Italian standards, which highlights the central role of biochemical analyses. I also believe it's highly significant because it reveals a truly successful narrative: taking a trial and overturning it. That is, even in the face of final decisions, looking for the element that can disprove everything. A legitimate approach, but one that ties in with a very strong tendency in our country: 'They're not telling us the truth.'"

The conspiracy theorist attitude?

"The culture of suspicion, the belief that they're hiding something from us. This idea has been long-standing, because it's a historical fact that in the '60s and '70s there were narratives that lacked the truth. But today I have some doubts about these trials. Even though blunders can happen."

Garlasco?

The Pavia Prosecutor's Office is convinced of Sempio's involvement. But it doesn't seem to me that there are any key elements. This new DNA trace also needs to be understood. And who knows what will ultimately be left that's truly usable?

Luckily, there are no bodies in Milan, but the situation is dire.

We need to be able to distinguish what is criminally relevant. Certainly, a widespread tendency to have everything managed by the business world and finance is clearly emerging. I don't know how the investigation will develop. But it demonstrates how we are faced with a political system that has taken a step back from big business interests, conceiving the city exclusively as a place for business and the interests of capital.

Speaking to Crepet (who was also a guest in Cernobbio in recent days), the psychiatrist defined crime news as a “fantastic anesthetist”.

"Look, I agree with him partly. Because if the most relevant news is the Pavia Prosecutor's Office for Garlasco and not what's happening in Gaza, then there's something distorted in our way of giving relevance to events. In reality, interest in certain things has always been there; it's nothing new."

However, the access channels have multiplied.

"Yes, the tools. Starting with social media, which has changed our perception. That's where a minor news story begins to be magnified, finding an unconventional relevance."

But will he talk about murders all summer?

"I'll stop on July 31st. And then I'll focus on preparing the new "Indagine Live" to bring to theaters. But not before 2026."